rahm emmanuel is expected to announce any day now to the staff that his -- about his plans to return home to chicago to run for mayor. if that happens, the question is, who takes his job? will be it a permanent replacement or a caretaker chief of staff until the president settles on a successor? and in fact, let's deal with issue number one. two weeks ago, conventional wisdom all said interim chief of staff. definitely the way it's going to be. will not name a permanent chief of staff before the election. that conventional wisdom may not be correct. >> he's known for a while. it's relatively small group of people he's really considering as far as we understand it. likely to be an insider. so in some ways, if that's going to be the case if it's going to be a tom donellan if it's going to be a ron clan who works for vice president biden, why do an interim chief of staff if he's going to make that decision. he could do it right away. >> does he bring somebody with some sort of outsider credential just not being in the current inner circle? people that qualify on that list, a goi like to